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Riley Herbst said he tore part of a hand ligament but he doesn't need surgery. He said he was stiff and sore after more than 100 laps today. As far as the crash, there was nothing he could do to slow the car down after the first hit. Wouldn't comment on the damage to the car.
someday i hope to watch a NASCAR where Bubba doesn’t get the rules bended to penalize him, almost all of Bubbas penalties have no precedent, and they penalize him under the guise of “setting a precedent” that they don’t enforce going forward
A new episode of "Hauler Talk" has just dropped. A few takeaways:
-- NASCAR is saying that to get penalized for going below the double yellow line, a car must have the whole tire down there AND improve the position AND not be forced down there. So three things.
-- In Kyle Larson's case, he didn't go below the yellow line (was on it), so it's a moot point.
-- Austin Hill would likely have been black-flagged if he hadn't already finished as the last car on the lead lap. He was not forced below the line by Larson in Turn 2, NASCAR felt; Hill went down there himself AND improved his position. But they didn't call anything because the penalty would have put him right where he was.
-- Ross Chastain and Carson Hocevar went below the line but were not penalized because they were forced below the line by Todd Gilliland, NASCAR felt.
-- NASCAR looked at penalizing Gilliland but it was inconclusive whether he forced them down there on purpose, so they didn't make a call (but they could have and it was close, apparently).
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Mike Forde in July vs. Mike Forde in October
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NASCAR's Mike Forde shared today on Hauler Talk that officials "probably" would have had to make a call on Austin Hill passing Kyle Larson in the event he had gone on to win Talladega. Hill ended up finishing as the last car on the lead lap anyway (which would've been the same result as if he had been black flagged), so a call was not made. In NASCAR's judgment, Hill went below the yellow line before he was ever pushed down there by Kyle Larson.
There was also considerable discussion of whether Todd Gilliland should've been called for forcing Ross Chastain and Carson Hocevar below the yellow line, though no call was made in the moment.
On Hill:
"The result would've been the same, he would've been the last car on the lead lap. We did not call that, essentially, for that reason. But that was one where there was discussion of if the 33 had won that race, would we have to take the win away. ... So that was probably a call we would've had to have made."
on Gilliland:
"In the moment, I think we said it was kind of inconclusive of whether he came down to block them, to keep them from passing the 34, so we made that a no call. I think that was the closest one. There was some discussion of 'man, maybe that's one where we should've potentially made a call there.' We chose not to in the moment, but there was more discussion around that one than any of the other ones that we made."
In regards to further clarification on why there was no call on Kyle Larson and where things stand with the yellow line rule in general:
"The tire has to go fully below the yellow line. So if there is even a half an inch that remains on that yellow line, we're not going to call a penalty. So in our judgment, we felt that was pretty clear. That's kind of where the conversation ends as far as NASCAR goes. It's 'do we feel that, were there tires below the yellow line? No? OK. That's it.'"
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"To get a penalty, almost three different things have to happen: You have to be below the yellow line, you have to improve your position, and then in our judgment did you get shoved down there."
“advancing your position is changing your name in the lineup” -Dale Jr
Bubba when he does not change his name in the lineup: “that’s gonna be a penalty i’m afraid”
Things got a little heated debating the double yellow line rule. Do you agree with Dale or TJ? 😬
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oh so Bubba broke no rules and had his 2nd taken away for no reason??? ok 👍
A new episode of "Hauler Talk" has just dropped. A few takeaways:
-- NASCAR is saying that to get penalized for going below the double yellow line, a car must have the whole tire down there AND improve the position AND not be forced down there. So three things.
-- In Kyle Larson's case, he didn't go below the yellow line (was on it), so it's a moot point.
-- Austin Hill would likely have been black-flagged if he hadn't already finished as the last car on the lead lap. He was not forced below the line by Larson in Turn 2, NASCAR felt; Hill went down there himself AND improved his position. But they didn't call anything because the penalty would have put him right where he was.
-- Ross Chastain and Carson Hocevar went below the line but were not penalized because they were forced below the line by Todd Gilliland, NASCAR felt.
-- NASCAR looked at penalizing Gilliland but it was inconclusive whether he forced them down there on purpose, so they didn't make a call (but they could have and it was close, apparently).
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Jeff since the inside of the tire and the yellow line are both underneath the car and invisible from a camera, doesn’t it seem somewhat silly to draw the “hard line” somewhere that is not visible?
so why wasn’t this called? they keep covering themselves by clarifying rules with clarifications that contradict past calls
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I was always told “believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.”
Tune into DBC tomorrow. 😁
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It’s all about who you are
On NASCAR's "Hauler Talk" podcast, Mike Forde says it doesn't matter that Bubba Wallace didn't actually complete a pass while below the double yellow lines; it's the attempt to improve his position that was the foul.
Forde: "If he did go below the yellow lines and eventually improved (his position) and he did that to improve it and he wouldn't have gotten to where he did without going below the yellow lines, that's really what matters here in this case. He doesn't actually have to make the pass while under the double painted line."
Also says the SMT data didn't matter about Wallace attempting to give the spot back after going below the double yellow line because there are no give-backs with this rule.
all the chevys took the longest line possible though the trioval and his tires were definitely below the yellow lmao
Two things from NASCAR:
1. They looked at the SMT data and Stenhouse, Byron and Custer were all wide open from Turn 3 to the end of the race (none of them lifted to let Larson win, in other words)
2. They say Larson's left-side tires were on the yellow line but never below the yellow line. So they reviewed that and say it's legal.
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Objectively: I have seen this called a penalty for less in an era where NASCAR says it's about intent.
I am not taking anything away from the drive by the 5 but I certainly think it's a fair question that series officials explain frame-by-frame why it's not a penalty.
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I think I'd feel a lot better about today if these two things didn't exist. – at Vinton, VA
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Riley Herbst has been evaluated and released from the infield care center, per NASCAR.