Middle-Aged Catholic Dad of 8 | Mostly just here for the Catholic news and DMs

Joined December 2021
With all due respect, and realizing full well that my own persecutions, such as they may be, are as nothing: if persecutions come as a result of our preaching Christ, then let them come. There’s a line between prudence in preaching and cowardice in it.
Replying to @lukei4655
In some places this sort of rhetoric is actually quite important, though totally offensive to pious Western ears, and perhaps best not done for an international audience. I have learned this from my ongoing dealings with the Church in Pakistan. They take 1 in 1,000 requests for baptism from Muslims. And it's entirely secret. It's a security risk - a lot of troublemakers... people looking for a reason to burn down a neighborhood... and creating one if possible. I don't know if that's the situation in Algiers, but one must be careful about making these assumptions. At any rate, it's a bad look nonetheless - prudence also requires not creating scandal.
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If I fear to preach and my fear is that my preaching will turn away a soul from the gospel rather than toward it, then I might be prudent not to preach at that time/in that way. If I fear to preach and my fear is that I or the Church will suffer for it, then am I not a coward?
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Actually, I think this is a great argument for celibacy. As man, Jesus’ natural loneliness, which in most people manifests as sexual desire, found its Other in the Beatific Vision which he enjoyed in life. Similarly, the higher calling for all men and women is the religious life
Replying to @lukei4655
He was also God. This is not the argument you think it is for celibacy.
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and celibacy, in which they may contemplate β€” much less perfectly β€” the face of God. Prayer fulfills longing more perfectly than sex; it is fitting that there be some people of prayer who are wholly devoted to it, others who are somewhat devoted to prayer and somewhat to spouses
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just as God has made a spectrum of creatures from pure spirit to pure matter.
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Raphael πŸ‡»πŸ‡¦β€οΈβ€πŸ”₯ retweeted
If wearing a chapel veil is liturgical extremism, then I dare any cleric to tell a woman she can’t.
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He was already 100% right just 4 words in and kept getting righter.
Don’t have political commercials during the World Series talking about child sex traffickers.
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Sure would be nice if someone with a big voice and a Vatican dicastery laid out the treasures of Catholic heritage for the faithful and maybe explained Eucharistic reverence. That would probably help.
Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments: Liturgical extremism by "certain groups" provokes division and confusion through practices like kneeling for Holy Communion, wearing chapel veils.
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This seems like a gotcha, but it’s a fair question. Must a couple have sex if they lack a just cause to practice NFP? Must they do it every day to avoid being in the position of abstaining? Every hour? Obviously not. What must they do, then?
Replying to @CatholicRaph
So in situations where there isn’t β€œjust cause” what is the couple morally obligated to do?
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Thus, for us, striving to keep close to God’s will, in several cases, we discerned over a few months what God wanted of us or else were pleasantly surprised in the way one might expect when happily submitting our wills to God’s instead of trying to force nature to our wills.
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Contraception is a great evil not merely because it prevents life from glorifying God, but almost more because it kills the faithful dependence on him and the holy submission to his will, when he, in fact, wants only to bless us abundantly.
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Raphael πŸ‡»πŸ‡¦β€οΈβ€πŸ”₯ retweeted
RE: this idea that using NFP means not trusting in God, the same logic would suggest getting out of bed to make breakfast is not trusting in God. Shouldn’t I trust him to sustain me? Why make my own breakfast? It’s absurd.
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This is really very simple. NFP cannot be used contraceptively because it’s not contraceptive, but it *can* be used selfishly, and evil intentions turn an otherwise good or neutral act to evil. So yes, NFP *can* be used sinfully. Doesn’t mean I’m saying, β€œNFP is sinful.”
It *can* be a sin. That doesn’t mean it is always a sin or even often a sin. HV says it requires a just cause. For an easy example, a couple using NFP to avoid conception in order to save up for a yacht is sinning. A couple using NFP to avoid because they’re poor isn’t sinning.
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