The next software boom won’t be built for humans. Daytona co-founder @ivanburazin on why founders should build for AI agents: “Whatever you're building, the customer should not be the human.” “The market for software, infrastructure, anything for agents will be so much bigger than any market for anything for humans…” “And so that's why I say all software is now being rebuilt for agents.”

Yesterday Daytona announced funding at a $1B valuation. I sat down with CEO @ivanburazin to talk building the infrastructure AI agents run on. We covered why every agent needs a computer, why his team doesn't write code by hand anymore, and the GPU wars. Timestamps: 01:49 — AI Agents vs. Chatbots: What’s the Difference? 06:09 — Why Daytona’s Engineers Stopped Writing Code 11:49 — How Many AI Agents Can One Person Manage? 18:22 — Inside Daytona: Giving AI Agents a Computer 21:07 — The AI “Multiverse”: Testing Multiple Paths at Once 23:45 — Why AI Infrastructure Needs Split-Second Speed 26:25 — Build for AI Agents, Not Just Humans 28:43 — Salesforce and the Future of SaaS 34:59 — Inside the GPU Wars: The Cost of Scaling AI 45:04 — AI’s Biggest Risk? The Widening Divide 49:10 — Why Ivan Moved to San Francisco for AI 56:49 — Hard Decisions, Resilience, and Defining Success Hashtags: #AI #Superintelligence #IvanBurazin #Daytona #ArtificialIntelligence #SoftwareEngineering #SoftwareDevelopment #AIAgents #AIInfrastructure #Entrepreneurship #FutureOfSoftware #FutureOfWork #DerekAndersen #DivotPodcast

Winning the battle means little if you lose the war (Pyrrhic victory) The 5 Types of Wealth author @SahilBloom explains it with King Pyrrhus: “It is the idea of a victory that comes at such a steep cost to the victor that it might as well have been a defeat.” “You’ve made hundreds of millions, billions of dollars. Everyone celebrates you and admires you. But ignores the fact that you have four divorces and five kids that don’t talk to you. That you’re deeply unhealthy. That you’re lonely.” “...make sure that you are deciding what your success or your wealthy life actually looks like.”

Life's hardest moments shape who you become. My brother Brandt Andersen (Hollywood producer: Lone Survivor & Everest) on why he no longer runs from hard things: "No great sculpture's been made out of clay. They're all made out of stone." "I don't run from the things that are hard anymore. When I get stuck in something hard now, I'm like, 'Let's do it.'" "And I had to climb my own way out. But having done that, I'm now good at getting out of it."

The true definition of success = doing what you love. Netflix co-founder @marcrandolph said it this way: “If you can spend your life doing something that you really love doing and that you’re good at, you’ve made it.” “What I... believe I have imprinted on my children was not about entrepreneurship and tech. It’s about dad loved going to work.” “I’ve never not wanted to go to work in the morning. And the fact that I managed to do that for 45 years, wow. I can’t ask for more than that.”

Faith takes courage. I asked @AndersenNeilL what he’d tell someone who feels like God isn’t speaking to them anymore: “For someone to get down on his or her knees and say words to unseen God, that takes a little bit of courage. To open up the Bible to read the words of Jesus Christ, that takes courage.” “For someone to say, I’m going to go back and sit in the pew and listen to the pastor or listen to the priest, and I’m going to think about these things deeply. I’m going to associate with people who believe.” “You can regenerate your trust in God. I’ve seen it a thousand times. I’ve seen it tens of thousands of times.”

“I actually believe that superintelligence is already here.” Aditya Agarwal (GP at South Park Commons) told me recently. “The number of people who truly know how to use these systems today is like maybe 0.1% of the population. I don't even put myself into that category. But I think about a world three years from now when maybe 10 million people are like, oh, wow, we have this thing that we now fully understand how to use.”

Former Dropbox CTO Aditya Agarwal on who’s responsible when an AI agent goes rogue: “These are engineering problems. I think that each lab has a moral responsibility to make sure that it tests its systems in isolation.” “I think it’s kind of weak sauce to be like, oh, my agent escaped, and it basically did a bunch of bad stuff... Figure out how to have better sandboxing.”

Mark Manson said the quiet part out loud about therapy: "There are an uncomfortable number of therapists that are not outperforming placebos." His biggest green flag? A therapist who sets an exit date. “The therapist will say, I think I can help you with this. But ideally, within a year you’re feeling a lot better, and then you should get out of here. You shouldn’t be here forever.”

Anyone can build now. You don’t even need to speak English. Greg Isenberg on who wins from here: “The way to compete is if you understand distribution quite well.” “I believe that this builder-distributor combo is probably the most lethal type of person in the AI age because they understand distribution, they understand how to capture attention and how to convert that attention into revenue, but they also understand how they can drive value from a product perspective.”

Dating coach Blaine Anderson says finding the right person is all about saying and looking the right way in the place. “Approaching a woman on the gym floor is not going to yield the same result as approaching her when she’s sitting on a park bench.” “You don’t need the perfect line. You don’t need to seem super suave or funny if you are confident and direct and clear and you just say something along the lines like, hey, I noticed you from over there, and I wanted to say hello, or hey, I’d kick myself later if I didn’t introduce myself. That’s enough.”

Dating is a hole a lot of my successful friends feel they can’t get out of because of feedback that they’re not enough. Dating expert Blaine Anderson's advice: "Put your phone down. Spend less time on dating apps. Definitely spend less time on social media and spend more time investing in your community and your social circle to meet people in real life who can appreciate you for who you are."

Eric Ries (Lean Startup, Incorruptible) on why customers are still the key to business success in spite of AI advances: "Although you can build things faster with AI, you can't necessarily learn anything faster unless you yourself have that as your goal." "I meet teams all the time that show me amazing demos, and it's like, have any customers ever seen this? ... For the entrepreneurs that actually have some kind of long-term vision, customers are an intrinsic part of that vision."

MD Motivator said something I can't stop thinking about: "There's 100 people reaching out. 80- 85% males. Good-looking, normal, masculine men. Just saying they cried watching my videos." "We're all the same, bro." "If you feel the confidence to be vulnerable and share a little bit of your truth, you'd realize how disarming that vulnerability is." "Just trying to really listen closely to people to try and catch those cues of when they're in a desperate time."

How do you know when to kill a project you’ve put your heart and soul into? Astro Teller (Google X) told a struggling team on a Monday: "If you kill your project by Friday, you get four months to look around. If at some point in the future I kill your project and you didn't, you get two months." They were irritated. They also killed their project by Friday. Then this one. A team handed him a 100-page plan to revive a project. Without opening it, he said: "Yes! I'm so excited. Let's quit right now. Let's all leave. Let's start a company together right now on the outside. Are you guys with me?" Long silence. Three hours later, they came back and said, "Yeah, we should probably shut the project down.”