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As an alternative to the advice offered by @teacherhead here, is a different statement I suggest that @LucyMPowell might make. The PISA results for England are out. Given their outlier nature, they should be treated with interest and care. The data certainly do not justify a policy of more direct instruction and super-strict behaviour management in what is becoming a global policy business for former Ministers @michaelgove & @NickGibbUK and adviser @tombennett71. First, as my measurement colleagues tell me at Stanford, in Canada, & elsewhere, the skills that @OECDEduSkills PISA claims to measure are not achieved through direct instruction. Even if England's PISA results are valid and authentic, they are not a mandate for more direct instruction. If indeed the results are valid, congratulations to all those teachers who have successfully taught the applied and creative knowledge that PISA claims to measure, despite the policy directions of my political predecessors to the contrary. Second, consider that Englands PISA results may be less valid and reliable than is claimed by the direct instruction advocates. The sample size submitted by the previous government compared to Wales and Scotland was so low that, for OECD, it became a borderline case of whether it would qualify at all. The same problems are evident in the US. The sample also appears to be biased in terms of unusually high numbers of exclusions of FSM pupils. Furthermore, most of the gains, it seems, come from young people in higher socioeconomic groups. Excellence is not being accompanied by equity. Performance in lower groups is not significantly different from the trajectory in other countries. PISA is measuring England's better-off pupils against a wider range of pupils elsewhere. Note also that neither Canada nor the Republic of Ireland have results strikingly different from England's but have historic commitments to care and support rather than strictness and exclusion, and certainly they have no tradition of direct instruction or recent initiatives in that direction. Claiming that England's PISA results are the consequence of a Conservative push for more direct instruction therefore has no basis in evidence. As a government, we are very concerned about the 20 year PISA decline in almost all Western nations of which Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Canada and others are a part. Young people everywhere are suffering from widening inequalities, conflict and displacement, the distractions and addictions of digital technologies among their parents as well as themselves, and the lingering mental health consequences of the worst pandemic in a century that our PISA performers experienced for two years when they were just 10-12 years old. A bit more phonics or strictness is not going to be the answer to these global trends - especially when the UK's young people are among the worst in the world on happiness and wellbeing indicators. As a government, we vow to raise performance for everyone, not just the few. We are committed to authentic participation and proper sampling in PISA, and to working in partnership with our UK colleagues and their systems to build a brighter future for all our young people. We believe that vocational education, and projects that get children using head, heart and hand together, should begin for all children in primary school, and not just be reserved for those at 14 who have been unsuccessful in traditional academics. We believe in wellbeing policies that don't just support or compensate for approaches to learning that disengage young people, but in policies that will rest on having more stimulating and engaging learning for all young people and their teachers. We take these PISA points seriously, but most of all, with other Western nations, we are committed to securing educational quality for all young people. We are committed to increasing engagement of pupils and teachers along with achievement. We are committed to parity of esteem for all forms of knowledge from the earliest years, not just after 14. And we are committed to open enquiry and transparency regarding all forms of data concerning our young people's achievement. The consequences of decades of neo-liberalism of which our PM has spoken so eloquently, have left our young people exposed too much to narrow targets and testing, and to restricted ideas about what our teachers are capable of accomplishing in their classrooms. Our world is in manifest disrepair. We will not fix it with a bit more phonics or by tightening up on strictness. Quick political fixes and lucrative global careers for those who advance them are not what our young people need and deserve now. They need a government who will face head on what is happening to our democracies in our schools as well as beyond them. Greater equality, better opportunity, in a system that brings head, hand and heart together for all young people, with proper public funding behind it, and honesty rather than trickery about what all the data mean, is what we will set out to accomplish. @jon_severs @CharteredColl @dizdarm @steve_munby @LesWalton500 @LucyMPowell @greg_ashman @NAHTnews
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Replying to @FrankStanChat
@FrankStanChat, weekly videocast/podcast about all things education and leadership is back on 3 September with a full line-up well into 2026. If you missed any of the previous 240 chats, you can view them here @frankandstanchat5 and listen to them here open.spotify.com/show/6v27Bo…
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Latest @FrankStanChat No. 228: The Rebecca Smith Edition can now be downloaded at buzzsprout.com/1459468/episo…. Chat covers how to keep staff motivated, the approach to social media in a boarding school and the importance of timeliness. It's a good 'un.
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A little later than usual. @FrankStanChat No. 227: The Pie Corbett Edition available as a podcast at buzzsprout.com/1459468/episo… Clarity of thinking for school leaders/older football managers, why are some schools so special and which teacher made a difference in Frank's life.
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You can get all the @FrankStanChat at shows.acast.com/frank-and-st… and on Spotify. We can't believe we're an award winning podcast, but it seems true. We're also most listened to podcast on education policy in Ottawa! Who'd have guessed? Might have something to do with @HargreavesBC
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Latest @FrankStanChat SPOTLIGHT as a podcast covers teaching mathematics through lens of a teacher in a Northern city. Rebecca Hanson rebeccathemathslady.com leads the chat as we discuss the damage caused by various non-experts and the current challenges. buzzsprout.com/1459468/episo…
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Like your weekly dose of @FrankStanChat as a podcast well here is the link to edition No. 221. buzzsprout.com/1459468/episo…. We cover personal loss, toxicity online, possible peerage for a former Chief Inspector and why regulators and govt need to earn the higher ground.
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Blooming heck @FrankStanChat comes in at No. 33. Can't quite believe it.
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More evidence of the failures of English education policies over many years driven by a narrow definition of ‘standards’. We need root and branch reforms based on the UNESCO principle ‘Every learner matters and matters equally’. ⁦@bphillipsonMP⁩ bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0m…
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I'm posting a photo of my coffee mug to say I'm officially in the club! youtube.com/watch?v=6WXunvma… #FrankAndStanChat
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The 200th edition of @FrankStanChat with Sir Michael Wilshaw as the guest can be found here youtu.be/maC5uA3UuYs. Forthright, reflective, straight talking and a dose of political intrigue and that's not just from the two hosts. youtu.be/maC5uA3UuYs. It's a belter.
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The latest @FrankStanChat No. 198: The Caroline Popplewell Edition is now available as a podcast at buzzsprout.com/1459468/15787…. Ec-schools, the optics of a new govt accepting gifts, Morecambe FC supporting vulnerable children and how a teacher inspired Frank at a recent conference.
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I can't recommend the latest @FrankStanChat with John Malynn enough. He was a former policy lead at DfE and Ofsted until 2018 and has an interesting insight into what may have gone wrong and when. youtu.be/Rod1jJAADAw
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First @FrankStanChat of new academic year fortuitously has guest John Malynn. He worked for DfE and Ofsted as a senior civil servant until retirement in 2018. His unique perspective is worth reflecting on to better understand why we are where we are. Enjoy youtu.be/Rod1jJAADAw
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The alternative big listen survey has revealed widespread dissatisfaction with the watchdog, with nine in 10 respondents deeming it ‘not fit for purpose’ @FrankWNorris and @colinsparkbridg say Ofsted is in ‘existential crisis’ schoolsweek.co.uk/ofsted-not…
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Extremely interesting yet concerning findings from research conducted by @FrankWNorris @colinsparkbridginto capturing teachers' thoughts on Ofsted. Well worth a read, and highlights the necessity for change. Food for thought for the new government.
thealternativebiglisten.co.u… report is now out and offers a compelling reason for radical change at Ofsted. The new government must now grasp the nettle and provide time for a major rethink on school and post 16 inspections. The authors knew it was bad, but not this bad.
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This week's @FrankStanChat No. 194 has Jill Gray, former Principal at @BlackpoolSixth as guest. Jill considers what real resilience looks like, Stan sees opportunities and risks of a curriculum review and Frank reflects on The Alternative Big Listen. youtu.be/d68VSUTPzfM
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Ofsted is understandably defensive given the major criticisms levelled at it in the Alternative Big Listen and the report on Reading's handling of the Caversham inspection. But when will it respond? We will want to respond to their response whenver it's published.
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If you like your @FrankStanChat No. 194: The Jill Gray Edition as a podcast then just use this link buzzsprout.com/1459468/15404…. Resilience, risks in a curriculum review, the alternative big listen and the value of media experts. Enjoy.
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Thank you Paul. A @FrankStanChat election special tomorrow. Seems likely a new government will be formed. As a new teacher in 1979, I had to wait until 1997 for a change of government. It felt momentous. This seems an equally significant event. A time for renewed optimism.
Very kind gift from the @FrankStanChat. Thank you @FrankWNorris @athena_ltd for inviting me. If you’ve not heard, why not have a listen before the latest episode is released tomorrow: 🎧 buzzsprout.com/1459468/15327… 👀 youtu.be/mMZgaF-r59M?si=Tj5S…
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