Well done, good sir!! Well done!

That’s cool about the book. I hope you get to do it! My family and friends all generally know who I am on here, so it’s already kinda like iykyk.

Both. But to clarify, I’m talking about judging another person’s righteousness and publicly condemning them, not exercising moral discernment. The biggest issue I have with your approach is that you consistently seem to treat your personal interpretation of gospel standards as universally binding on everyone else. In reality, the application of modesty changes with time, place, culture, and circumstance. Do you think what was considered modest in 1870 was identical to what was considered modest in 1970? Of course not. The Church’s current For the Strength of Youth guide asks: “Am I honoring my body as a sacred gift from God?” That emphasizes personal responsibility, spiritual guidance, and treating our bodies with respect rather than prescribing an exhaustive list of acceptable clothing. In 2011, the New Era addressed this very question in an article titled “How can I choose a modest swimming suit?” It acknowledged that earlier guidance about two-piece swimsuits had become less useful as fashions changed. It also explained why universal clothing measurements are difficult to establish: “Since fashions change from place to place and time to time, this is not possible.” And the current General Handbook explicitly states that appropriate dress varies across cultures and occasions. None of this means modesty is unimportant or that every clothing choice is appropriate. It means the eternal principle of modesty is not necessarily synonymous with your personal interpretation of how that principle must be applied. You’re entitled to your convictions. You’re entitled to teach your children those convictions. But you’re not entitled to declare another husband or father a failure simply because his family makes a different clothing choice. The purpose of teaching eternal principles is to help people exercise righteous agency, not to replace their agency with our own preferences.

I wouldn’t say bikinis were the “norm” for me to see thought my life, but I also never saw them as partially frowned upon. It was kinda like 2 sets of earrings vs one 😂

An LDS, BYU enthusiast bot? To what end? 😂

I respect Elder Scott’s counsel, and I don’t see any contradiction here. He encouraged young men to maintain standards when choosing an eternal companion and to communicate their preferences sensitively. He didn’t teach that men should publicly condemn other husbands and fathers as failures because of what their wives or daughters wear. Meanwhile, the current General Handbook explicitly states: “Members and leaders should not judge others based on dress and appearance.” It also acknowledges that appropriate dress varies across cultures and occasions. Both teachings can be true. You can believe certain clothing is immodest, teach your children your values, and make decisions about your own relationships. But declaring another man a failure because his wife or daughter wears a bikini goes beyond either statement. Teaching modesty is not the same thing as judging another family’s righteousness.

Of course I’m a real human 😂

Actually, yes. I do. That instruction comes directly from the Church’s section on dress and appearance. The same section explicitly states, “What is appropriate varies across cultures and for different occasions.” You are welcome to believe bikinis are immodest and make decisions accordingly for yourself. But declaring that another Latter-day Saint man has failed because his wife or daughter wears one is precisely the kind of judgment the Handbook cautions against. There’s a difference between teaching the principle of modesty and appointing yourself the judge of another family’s righteousness.

I’m judging you for not following the handbook. Weak.

Show off

Do you think he denies the Holocaust too?

Congrats!!

“Members and leaders should not judge others based on dress and appearance.” - Church handbook

We ALL need a little more grace, don’t we?

What a cool grandfather! I’m glad you have that insight. Thanks for validating my thoughts here

200 years ago, someone would have said the same thing about you showing your ankles

I disagree with this blanket statement. Modesty is an eternal gospel principle, but the cultural standards used to define modest clothing have changed dramatically throughout history and across societies. What was considered modest 200 years ago is different from what we consider modest today. And what’s considered modest in Utah may be different from what’s considered modest in France. The Church’s General Handbook explicitly states: “What is appropriate varies across cultures and for different occasions.” It also instructs that “members and leaders should not judge others based on dress and appearance.” The current For the Strength of Youth guide emphasizes honoring our bodies as sacred gifts from God rather than prescribing specific clothing measurements. I’m not arguing that every bikini is modest. I’m arguing that modesty requires more discernment than simply declaring an entire category of clothing inappropriate. IMO, some bikinis are totally appropriate. We can uphold the principle of modesty without imposing our personal cultural standards as universal commandments. There’s a difference between teaching eternal principles and policing someone else’s application of them.

But why? I like the anonymity on here. Too many weirdos

Man, there are a lot of weird people on X. There’s a reason I do it anonymously 😂 Why do you feel the need to drop the anon account?

Bring the missionaries??? What? I’ve never heard of that happening 😂