Joined February 2023
CT can't be "good vibes only", but it should be more like "AMMs are great, we love AMMs, BUT..." not "AMMs will never work BECAUSE..." xitter.cf/guil_lambert/status/20…
I am actually grateful that the Researchers who blackpilled CT against AMMs by larping about LVR, markouts, and “stale orders getting picked off” are gone from my timeline.
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Uniswap {Labs, Fnd}: - kills community analytics program - does not fund analytics grants despite $100M grant budget - kills suggestions from DAO to run DAO-owned dashboards Also Uniswap Labs: - gets angry when CT gets their analytics from unfriendly 3rd party guys
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I've been an LP since Uniswap v1, and I still LP every day. My UniswapDAO mandate was always to be a voice for LPs. I just voted NO on the Uniswap v4 fee switch proposal. Put simply: turning on the fee switch makes LPing structurally unprofitable. See my temp check post for more details. So while it saddens me that plain "vanilla" Uniswap might be going away, AMMs as a primitive are simply too powerful to disappear. --- Disclosure: I'm the founder of Panoptic, and our protocol can benefit from this vote if LPs choose to migrate to it. I am voting NO anyway because the survival of Uniswap, and every protocol/hook/product built on top of it, still depends on LPs powering the ecosystem. --- I sincerely want to thank 0x6c3A...E62e for delegating their UNI voting power to me over the past 3 years. But this vote will be my last vote as a UniswapDAO delegate.
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Some spicy discussion is starting to happen in the Uniswap v4 fee switch thread: gov.uniswap.org/t/temp-check… Coming from wider DeFi perspective, I don't support the switch, but there's no denying that UNI holders are likely to benefit from short-term. xitter.cf/atiselsts_eth/status/2…
Uniswap Labs is pushing for the fee switch for v4. Is this the right time? In my view, no. @Uniswap remains strategically important for all of DeFi. Critically, lending protocols rely on its liquidity to set asset parameters. Less liquidity -> worse trading AND worse lending.
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RH chain feels like Ethereum back in 2021: with Uniswap dominating the DEX scene and LPs printing money again. The weird thing: the underlying blockchain technology has evolved by miles, yet the AMM technology is almost the same. This can't be the endgame.
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Uniswap Labs is pushing for the fee switch for v4. Is this the right time? In my view, no. @Uniswap remains strategically important for all of DeFi. Critically, lending protocols rely on its liquidity to set asset parameters. Less liquidity -> worse trading AND worse lending.
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In theory, the v4 protocol fee can be reduced or even disabled later. Still, would Labs be able and willing to do that if it became necessary to protect the protocol? One certainly hopes so, but I have some doubts.
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Bottom line: the previous fee switches have already made DeFi - as a whole - more risky, causing wide-range liquidity on v3 and especially v2 to dry up. High and extractive fees on v4 can make the status significantly worse.
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My read of this is that IF we can build reliable prediction-market oracles (which seems like a much easier problem than building real time oracles) THEN we can unlock this. Risk perspective: "liquidation hunting" will be replaced with "rollover hunting" xitter.cf/VitalikButerin/status/…
Building index-tracking assets on top of options instead of debt ethresear.ch/t/building-inde… What if the use options as the base of defi, instead of CDPs and liquidations? So instead of extreme price movements creating a sharp and global "you get liquidated" effect, instead your exposure to the index diverges quadratically from your preferred exposure in a smoother way? A key benefit is getting rid of the need for instant oracles, and instead making everything work on top of "slow oracles" (ie. the type that prediction markets use) This design has a significant downside - the need to do regular rebalancing - and an open question of whether and how this rebalancing can be made slippage-resistant enough. But it's worth considering and trying IMO. I would feel much safer holding algostables inside something like this, than in something that depends on an oracle that has to give real-time answers (and therefore could be tricked into giving wrong real-time answers with no time for human recourse).
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atis elsts retweeted
Replying to @ivangbi_ @ethereum
For one, I believe that audits (for code bugs) are one of the things that DeFi does get right. And better audits or formal verification wouldn't have prevented most of the recent exploits: Resolv, Drift > private key compromise + lack to timelock and other circuit breakers Venus Protocol > economic attack, flagged by audits but ignored Aperture Finance, Solv > bugs in unaudited contracts Makina Finance > vault logic compromise, OOS for audits In TradFi, companies are mandated to do thorough risk management by law. In DeFi, we're not. Solution? More social consensus that DeFi needs to learn to take better care of its risks. This already works with code audits - everyone believes that a protocol that doesn't have code reviewed by security experts can't be taken seriously. It also works for L2s because we have @l2beat. Comparably, we don't have nearly as good insight into the admin control levels of major DeFi protocol deployments. Similarly, we know far more about how to exit L2s in times of crisis than how to exit major DeFi protocols if/when their admin decides to do something funky. EF doesn't need to pick and choose some favorite protocols. But it would be nice to recognize that there's a crisis in "low-risk" DeFi and push for a more principled approach, where risk management goes beyond looking for bugs in the code.
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mostly two reasons: - realization that LVR is only small part of what makes onchain liquidity challenging (vindication for us who said it all along) - realization that AMMs are typically money sinks, not money generators (vindication for OB folks) xitter.cf/duelinggalois/status/2…
Do you know why you don't hear about LVR anymore? Because everyone lost.
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