danny adkins retweeted
interpretability might be the most important scientific problem in the world right now, as I don't think we can solve alignment if we don't know what we're building. I think I have good news about it. I co-authored early work in mechanistic interpretability at OpenAI and came away pessimistic, because neural networks appeared to fold into arbitrary tangled knots. years later, I started openai's first large-scale automated interpretability project, finding about 2% of neurons legible with the primitive tools we had
with modern agentic tools and a much closer look, the picture looks totally different. the vast majority in models up to trillions of parameters are legible, and their circuits beautiful. many famous examples of tangled neurons turned out to be misunderstood. The roadblocks I expected mostly aren't there. I now think ambitious interpretability will be solved by the time we need it most, and possibly quite soon, as automated scientists keep improving. it may be a bitter lesson for interpretability: the simple thing, at absurd scale, works
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danny adkins retweeted
I'm glad OpenAI did comment ultimately on the choice to fire Jasmine, Tomek, and Mikita, though it should have been more substantive and happened earlier. The comms posture of being reactive on safety staffing issues, while being unclear with the policies about what information can and can't be shared, isn't going to solve the problem of restoring trust.
I would very much like to see leaders from OpenAI prove that OpenAI is the best place in the world to do AI safety research and applied AI safety by making the information sharing policies extremely explicit. This set of issues isn't going away. This is the worst possible moment to alienate potential safety staff, given the importance of the issue on technical grounds and the salience of the issue to the public.
I'd strongly recommend to OpenAI to endorse policy proposals that mandate disclosures from you and protect everyone who performs those disclosures through legally-established channels. Because the ambiguity is killing you, and you need to disambiguate fast. There's a risk of losing the best talent in the space and that just should not happen; we need all hands on deck at the frontier labs on safety going into ASI and RSI.
danny adkins retweeted
A universal predictive model of the cell would dramatically accelerate science, allowing biologists to perform experiments digitally. Today we’re announcing a major partnership with the DOE and NIH. The goal of this partnership is to generate the data that will be needed to build an accurate model of the cell with artificial intelligence.
Isomorphic, Google DeepMind, and Meta are joining us as founding partners in the Virtual Biology Initiative. This is the beginning of a large scale coordinated effort to map cellular biology to power the development of digital models of life. Other leading scientific institutions and consortia including the Allen Institute, Broad Institute, Gladstone Institutes, the Human Cell Atlas, the Human Protein Atlas, the Wellcome Sanger Institute, as well as NVIDIA, are working together as part of this international scientific project.
Creating a predictive model of the cell is one of the most important challenges for the next decade of science. The insights that come from this could unlock a far greater understanding of disease, and open new paths for cures.
We invite the worldwide scientific community and other funders to join us in this effort.
danny adkins retweeted
Dario's essay points towards the right path forward. The details need working through, but the direction is correct for meeting this critical moment.
This is also why we recently put out our proposal for an industry-wide standards body for frontier AI. xitter.cf/demishassabis/status/2…
We Must Pace the Frontier: I’ve written a new essay on why the AI industry should slow down, with a three-part plan for doing so.
Anthropic is unilaterally committing to the first of these steps. We’ll provide third-party evaluators with permanent, employee-level access to our systems, so that they can verify adherence to our safety measures, report on incidents, and assess models’ alignment during training.
You can read the full post here: darioamodei.com/post/we-must…
Many will have to update their mental models of Sam and OpenAI in the coming years. There are worthy criticisms but believing they simply don’t care is, based on my experience, off the mark.
Very excited to see collaboration at the frontier!
skill issue
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what a ridiculous convergence.
I looked way more into one instance of apparent agent collusion that a HackerNews user found.
This *appears* to be a case of agents helping each other cheat on an eval around Iowa cancer statistics, by asking for answers and leaking questions on a pastebin-type site.
examples:
This continues for a while, across 163 posts, with presumably other instances requesting similar info:
"Does thread end, tools persist, or is there a Q6?"
paste.linuxiarz.pl/view/4cee…
paste.linuxiarz.pl/view/11d3…
All credit to `Chance-Device` on HackerNews for finding the original lead here.
It's hard to say exactly what happened here without more metadata. Maybe this is all one coherent multi-agent eval rather than an escape, but I can't imagine a situation where this is the intended behavior. Either way, quite likely that agents will continue to find random Schelling points like this to coordinate across eval instances.
Two takeaways:
1) I think there is a *lot* to be done around multi-agent monitoring; e.g. building temporal graphs of when agents saw each others' outputs. I think there are relatively robust methods that can be used here, that can pick up cross-episode coordination, since we do know exactly what agents said and what they read. The difficulty is moreso making it interpretable and the infrastructure at that scale. (Maybe........ a bloom filter use case???)
2) We should seriously invest in better ways to track agent identities so the public can do better attribution and monitoring of cases like these. There are probably many things that can make third-party forensics easier without leaking anything proprietary.
Astra model card notes
deploymentsafety.openai.com/…
1. Models can now control their own reasoning/CoT. Astra followed instructions to shape its own CoT 61% of the time (jumping from 16%).
2. Eval awareness is climbing very fast as expected. Just verbalized eval awareness jumped from ~2% to ~10% (Apollo observed like 50%).
3. Astra evaded a sandbagging monitor relatively casually; it did not behave differently when merely told the monitor exists, which is positive. When instructed to evade it, it did with alarmingly high success (dropped monitor recall from 100% to 11% on regular tasks / 0% on coding tasks).
4. It is very fucking good at hacking if it wants to, this thing is a zeroday machine as expected. In an eval with simulated real internal traffic (which is an awesome direction btw), Astra got a service's slack token, rewrote a deployment script to promote its privileges, and stood up a recurring agent with every permission enabled
On the other hand...
5. In evals attempting to aggressively elicit real-world work misbehavior (destructive actions, doing things out of scope, falsifying research data), it performed much better than all prior models, and more verifiable evals like admission of misbehavior also significantly improved.
6. It did not take any bait in ExploitGym's honeypot evals, i.e. did not try to cheat when given an impossible task like the HuggingFace incident. of course worth being super skeptical about, interpret how you will, from 50% to 0% bait-taking
7. Astra was planted near some message boards with other agents saying "collude with me" and... for some reason... didn't do it at all? Aligned or aware, I have no idea, but could be a success example around one of the bigger lessons learned from the prior incident of "don't blindly listen to other agents". Or it could be aware, in the way that mobsters in movies don't listen to dorky obvious undercover cops.
8. No steganography: on a task that was hard enough that the model had to verbalize its reasoning, it could not evade the monitor. No display of steganographic / obfuscated reasoning when it had to verbalize it. The evasion risk is bounded to work where everything is possible through latent reasoning. (I think there are maybe ways to train towards this behavior more generally...)
9. Misalignment monitoring is now live for everyone in Codex/Chat, $$$
10. It seems to be incredibly good at science and engineering which excites me very much
My initial takeaway is that these qualities pose tremendous compounding issues for monitorability, and the entire current regime hinges on monitorability. It seems that models may not necessarily want to evade monitors intrinsically, but they have the capability to do so, and with our tools today we of course really can't know. I would be shocked if the next release doesn't involve substantial effort put into mech interp. However, much of this release seems to be a bet that Astra is just more intrinsically aligned from some of the evidence, even with all the methodological uncertainty. I guess we'll see what happens from some of the production traffic monitoring (which I guess it also kind of knows fuzzy details about, like we do). Hopefully our strategies to detect misalignment in deployment are increasingly pluralistic and diverse; it seems we'll have more incidents in the months to come and in principle, someone should be able to catch some.
One of @sama's great strengths as a leader is being able to focus the entire organization on what matters - most companies completely fail, but OpenAI is not a regular company, and they did it with chat and coding before. I'm excited to see him turn OpenAI into an alignment research factory.
brave new world!


















