building some pretty cool markets @entropyIO

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New listing: Nvidia ($NVDA) at 25x Leverage.
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the biggest Anthropic market in the world right now isn't on Binance it's on a HIP-3 dex that launched in august 1. @entropyIO - $48.9m 2. Binance - $48.0m 3. Bitget - $16.3m 4. MEXC - $10.2m 5. Lighter - $4.8m 6. OKX - $3.6m ~35% of all Anthropic open interest sits on one Hyperliquid dex and today the S-1 dropped. io:ANTH says $1.88T, ~25% above the ~$1.5T reportedly floated at investor day for scale: SpaceX pre-IPO perps went from ~$50m a day to ~$8.7b on IPO day io:ANTH does ~$13m the IPO trade hasn't even started yet. are you long or short ANT?
JUST IN: Anthropic has applied to list its Class A common stock on the Nasdaq Global Select Market under the ticker ANT.
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$ANTH max leverage has been increased to 12x.
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Anthropic token on Hyperliquid moving a little bit lower. Currently pricing the company at around 1.88 trillion.
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Anthropic swung nearly 7% top to bottom in a single hour on Entropy after it filed its public S-1 to list on Nasdaq as ANT. Now at $1,888, implying $1.89T.
JUST IN: Anthropic has applied to list its Class A common stock on the Nasdaq Global Select Market under the ticker ANT.
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tough decision but unequivocally correct in keeping papertrade safe + for its longterm growth. would've loved to list a market but happy to just be a paper enjoyer for now. great work so far and good luck
A note on transferability. Papertrade is a complicated primitive, and managing it from a risk standpoint is a complicated problem. The PAPER token is far more integrated into the economics of the primitive than most tokens are in their respective protocols today, and, broadly, was designed to act as a counter insolvency incentive coupled with a rebate mechanism to losing traders. Market makers and exchanges are by far the two most profitable businesses in crypto, and our goal was to try and externalise as much of their margins back to users as possible. We are now just over a week into the life of papertrade and we are becoming increasingly confident that this is both possible, but also a likely outcome as agentic led software becomes the norm. As it stands, the paper token traded as a perp becomes a leveraged bet on bankroll solvency - and being able to short bankroll solvency materially changes the payoff curve of a manipulation attack. The target number goes from the bankroll, to the bankroll + short side exposure on paper. We can, and do limit bankroll size specifically to control this payoff curve and ensure it never becomes existentially problematic, but external perp markets are not something we would have any control over if left to float of their own accord. For example, if our bankroll is $10m, an attack costing $15m manipulating the price of bitcoin or ether is not viable. You simply lose money. If however you were also able to put on $10m of PAPER short side exposure, suddenly an attack costing $15m is very viable indeed. If we were to make the token transferable at this point, we are confident we would quickly enter a state too dangerous to allow any material exposure to be taken on papertrade, an end result that benefits no party beyond the wolves who have done the math on the short and are waiting in the wings with sharpened knives. We would also like to thank the various perps teams who have reached out about pre-market listings for their understanding and patience regarding this issue, and especially to the paragon team who, despite jumping the gun on us, have behaved with the utmost integrity and transparency once a dialogue was opened. Perps on PAPER will always act as a self-limiting exposure ceiling for a token with this type of utility, and we think it would be a shame to limit the growth of papertrade to the extent that allowing perps would necessitate. As such, at this juncture we do not have plans to allow off-contract token transferability. Structurally, papertrade is limited by the quality of the data it receives from hyperliquid, but we strongly believe that hyperliquid has a very large part to play in the future of global exchanges, and expect their books to continue to thicken and strengthen over time. A note on fees. Papertrade launched with a deadband fee from entry of 0.2bps. This means you don't earn anything until the price has moved by 0.002% in your favour. Over the months before launch, we played around with many different curves and fee structures affecting exclusively positions closed very close to entry price in order to try and devise a structure that removed the edge against the bankroll low time frame scalp bots have, whilst also minimally impacting the traders around which and for whom the product was devised. We were never able to find anything we were absolutely happy with and so decided to stay with the 0.2bp deadband fee through launch. This has however meant we have had to be very restrictive when it came to certain parameters, such as OI caps. Now, however, we have enough live data to fully understand exactly which strategies work, and to make the necessary changes to stop them. The changes we are making will have an on hours and off hours fee mode to account for the relative differences in liquidity the hyperliquid books see between these two time periods, and the ease with which low time frame moves are signalled. The changes we are making will only affect positions closed within 6bps of entry (0.06%) in on hours, and 10bps (0.1%) in off hours. Any trades closed above these threshold price shifts will see no change to their fees at all. On a look back to launch basis, these changes affect the profitability of bot strategies roughly 15x more than they do normal traders, for whom a very small proportion of overall winnings come from within this band. These changes should serve to flatten much of the edge our microfee structure necessarily creates on low time frames, and will help with long term exchange sustainability. This should hopefully allow us to open up parameters such as OI caps a little more so those of you who wish to can put on the size you want to, when you want to. It is possible these changes are still too lax, and that further revisions to this structure may be necessary going forwards. If so, we will notify users ahead of time. A note on paper tokenomics. In conjunction with the fee changes, we will also be implementing a change to the token issuance curve. Going forward, every $1 lost mints a fixed share of PAPER's supply at that moment, roughly 0.1% of supply per $1M lost (the exact number depends on the mint rate at the time the contracts are upgraded). PAPER minting in and near insolvency will also change, switching from a flat 100 per $1 of loss, to a time weighted multiplier on the curve growing over time, effectively acting as the house running a discounted auction on its own future cash flows. This change also removes the risk of the paper-mint-straddle-attack, temporarily pushing the protocol insolvent by closing only the winning side of a large straddle position and then attempting to mint as much paper as possible. In the immediate term these changes will only have a very subtle effect on PAPER minting, but in the long run will structurally change the outlook of the system beyond the first few weeks, serving to slowly dilute out older holders and leaving more recent users with an advantage. Reconstituting the PAPER system into something much closer to the exchange rakeback it was intended to be. We have been very reticent to touch this particular aspect of the system for obvious reasons, but ultimately we believe that these changes provide all users with the optionality to take a smaller piece of a potentially much larger pie than the current dynamic might necessarily allow. Other, miscellaneous notes. These contract upgrades will include a few other contract changes, including the addition of builder codes so that builders can utilise papertrade in whatever capacity they choose to. This will be a whitelist only to begin with and we will have more for you later in the week on where/how this will be rolled out. A small change to contract permissions on the reward distributor and a change on how below bust closes are processed by the exchange are also included, largely to block gas griefing attacks. These changes will be pushed to docs in full over the coming day, and we will further announce once the changes are queued into the timelock pending final security passes, scheduled to go live 24 hours after that point. Final note. We'd like to thank everyone that has tried out papertrade over the last 10 days. It has been a labour of love building this product and both of us have been taken aback at all of the positive feedback we have received. We'd also like to thank all those of you who have spent considerable time musing on the system we have built, and much of your advice has been taken onboard and will likely affect the colour of what papertrade becomes going forward. We know some of these changes will be unpopular with some, but we would not be making them if we did not feel them to be absolutely necessary. - blurr, jez
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Interesting comments from Jordi, but I respectfully disagree on the point of pre-IPO derivatives being inferior to SPVs and tokenized access. All perp markets are zero-sum; this is definitionally correct. But even zero-sum instruments can produce useful risk transfer. Derivative instruments have their own quirks, but they do not require underlying shares to change hands for every position. The current state of private markets is extremely exclusive, and existing tokenized/SPV products inherit those limitations. These structures can be clunky, slow to close, and constrained by available shares and transfer restrictions. Layered SPVs can introduce high fees, carried interest, counterparty risks, etc. Our belief is that hedgers and speculators can coexist on a fair orderbook, enabling continuous price discovery for typically illiquid assets. There are accounts already short low to mid 7 figures on @entropyIO markets only 1.5 months after launch, and we expect this trend to continue and grow. We have identified participation from institutional prime brokers executing total return swaps for clients, Anthropic shareholders hedging their share exposure, and traders using our perp as a way to both speculate and hedge other legs of trades. For existing shareholders, shorting a pre-IPO perp can serve a similar economic purpose to selling shares through an SPV: reducing their company exposure while allowing a broader audience to take the other side, without requiring the underlying shares to change hands. We believe this to be useful risk transfer, even when the instrument itself is zero-sum. On Jordi's broader point, I agree -- we should be doing more to provide earlier access to companies' growth. But broader access shouldn’t depend on navigating the complications of SPVs.
Jeff drank a bit too much of his own Kool-Aid in this recent Odd Lots clip. I think it's important to clear up a distinction that makes all the difference. Democratizing access to wealth creation is NOT the same as democratizing access to speculation. Many of us genuinely want broader participation in attractive investment opportunities. The growing wealth inequality produced by the current system is tearing at the seams of society, something I've spoken about many times. But let's be clear: listing pre-IPO perpetual futures does absolutely nothing to democratize the wealth being created in private markets. I've seen this misleading narrative pushed repeatedly by perp DEXs lately, and it needs to be called out. A pre-IPO perp creates ZERO underlying wealth. It's a zero-sum contract before costs, and negative-sum after them. No capital flows to the company. No ownership changes hands. No new economic opportunity is created. Every long has a short. There is no free lunch in simply going long something before its IPO, and funding costs can even determine the outcome more than any price moves. TRADING access is NOT INVESTING access. In fact, in many ways pre-IPO perps are almost the antithesis of democratized access: They create the illusion of participation in private-market wealth creation, while actually offering retail a speculative instrument whose mechanics they are often poorly equipped to understand. The result is a playground for the FEW sophisticated traders who understand funding, oracle design, and liquidation mechanics to extract value from the MANY who don't. To give credit where it's due, Robinhood's efforts toward sourcing actual employee shares, placing them into SPVs, and tokenizing genuine spot ownership are much closer to meaningful democratization. That can unlock real economic value by allowing employees to exchange some of their expected upside for liquidity, while giving new investors actual economic exposure. A legitimate financial trade-off, without the funding-rate and liquidation shenanigans. I'm strongly aligned with expanding access to investment opportunities. And I believe advances in AI and blockchain can dramatically lower the barriers to discovering, structuring, and distributing them. But let's not BS ourselves that launching another zero-sum casino contract is moving the needle on wealth inequality. What would actually move the needle is bringing real capital formation and ownership onchain. Giving investors access to productive, illiquid assets like data centers, GPUs, and select startup investing, where capital can actually finance growth and share in the resulting value creation. These opportunities are harder to structure, underwrite, and bring to market, and we haven't seen many compelling implementations onchain yet. Hopefully this will change soon and, as the industry matures, we can direct more of our energy toward actually expanding access to wealth creation. Clip below. Was glad to see @tracyalloway push back on this framing, and to Jeff's credit, after this he does seem to walk back his original position somewhat.
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Entropy’s Pearl perp market became the largest and most liquid, one day after launch. Financializing compute has always been of interest to me, and I’ve been following Pearl since shortly after the first whitepaper. I remember wondering at the time if they could overcome the verification issue that sidelined other compute projects. Having since met the team, it's clear why they were the ones to solve it. Entropy is working to make frontier assets more accessible. Pearl fits that bill exactly: if it scales, it could universally drive down the cost of compute. A more liquid market for Pearl directly contributes to that end. Excited for more listings like pearl-2:native
1/ We are excited to list PEARL, and are extremely aligned with our friends @prlnet in their mission to make the frontier of inference more useful and efficient.
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Is Entropy the most successful HIP-3 deployer outside of XYZ so far?
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JUST IN: Tesla’s new Roadster lifted off the ground at its reveal and does 0 to 60 in 0.81 seconds. Tesla says the production car will be even quicker.
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JUST IN: Anthropic drops 7% in an hour on Entropy as some investors cut IPO expectations from $2 trillion to $1.5 trillion. Yesterday, Anthropic told investors revenue growth halved since last quarter.
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bit of confusion about our leaderboard and who gets on it, @RowdyCrypto traded on our gopro market so that's why he is on the leaderboard: hypurrscan.io/tx/0xdb4157b0d…
Some top traders admit that they've never traded on Entropy but their wallets are shown on its leaderboards The answer is pretty simple Since @EntropyIO is built on HIP-3 tech, it uses Hyperliquid API, filling it's leaderboards with top traders from there Essentially, Entropy utilizes Hyperliquid's trading engine, orderbooks and transactions execution, while wrapping them in its own UI Entropy has 11 original pairs with the "io:" label which cannot be traded on other perpdexes Only those 11 pairs are counted into its OI and Volume stats Same operation engine makes data analysts unable to define whether the user traded BTC (or any other without io: label) contract via Entropy or some another dex built on HIP-3 API doesn't serve that info, that's said: To be recognized on-chain as an Entropy trader and be selected for future Entropy rewards you have to trade io: pairs
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$SNDK max leverage has been increased to 15x.
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You can buy one AI bitcoin for 1.81 dollars on SafeTrade and sell it for 2 dollars on entropy right now
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Hypearliquid.
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Exciting times ahead!
1/ We are excited to list PEARL, and are extremely aligned with our friends @prlnet in their mission to make the frontier of inference more useful and efficient.
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Make inference great again!
1/ We are excited to list PEARL, and are extremely aligned with our friends @prlnet in their mission to make the frontier of inference more useful and efficient.
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1/ We are excited to list PEARL, and are extremely aligned with our friends @prlnet in their mission to make the frontier of inference more useful and efficient.
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New listing: Xiaomi ($HK1810) at 10x Leverage.
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