Jeremy J Chaisson

Jesse Watters CHALLENGES Abdul El-Sayed on ICE — Then Their Debate Explodes Over Wind Turbines in Lake Michigan Jesse Watters: You want to abolish ICE. Who’s going to deport criminal aliens? Abdul El-Sayed: Before ICE, we had INS. We enforced immigration laws without shooting people in the face and the back of the head. Jesse Watters: That’s a dodge. Do you know how many illegal immigrants are in the country now? Abdul El-Sayed: We had far fewer when we had INS. It worked better. Jesse Watters: We have twice as many now. You need the manpower. Abdul El-Sayed: We have ICE now and far more undocumented people, so clearly it isn’t working. Jesse Watters: What about the man from Southeast Asia who molested a child? ICE just picked him up. You want him to stay in Michigan? Abdul El-Sayed: I’m glad he was picked up. But that doesn’t prove INS couldn’t have done the same thing. You’re playing a bureaucratic game. Jesse Watters: That’s because Biden didn’t blow open the border back then. Abdul El-Sayed: When I travel across Michigan, people ask how they’ll afford gas and groceries. They’re not asking me about immigration. Jesse Watters: Let’s talk about the Green New Deal. Do you drive an electric car? Abdul El-Sayed: I drive an American-made plug-in hybrid. But the bigger issue is the trade war with Canada, which could make cars more expensive. Jesse Watters: You want to get rid of gas-powered cars. That’s what the Green New Deal says. Abdul El-Sayed: I’m not defending the Green New Deal. I’m asking if you oppose reducing energy costs and creating jobs in Michigan. Jesse Watters: I don’t want windmills in Lake Michigan. Abdul El-Sayed: We already have an oil pipeline in the Great Lakes. If it bursts, the consequences could be disastrous. You’d rather risk that than have wind turbines? Jesse Watters: Those windmills are Abdul El-Sayed: I’m not saying we should get rid of fossil fuels.