"The day that I got the Gimbal video...Lue was the first person I brought in the room to say, 'Hey, Lue, what do you think of this?' ~Jay Stratton "[Lue] and I complimented each other very greatly." (Tell me again how Lue didn't play an important role in AATIP. I would've included this in Jay's book.) "Lue opened doors for me when I needed help, and any other service colleague. And we worked together, and we had friends that helped, right?" ~Stratton "Lue...always looked at things differently." ~Stratton "I had no idea [the 2017 NYT article] was coming, at all." ~Stratton ~~~ (Some of the @jaystratton clips shared in the recent episode of "Weaponized" with @g_knapp and @JeremyCorbell are new and different than the clips shared 3.5 years ago on their second-ever episode. I'd love to see the entire thing, unedited.) ~ Knapp: "So AAWSAP is dead, but there are guys like you and @LueElizondo who had been at least involved..." Jay Stratton: "Around." Knapp: "In one way or another." Stratton: "Right." Knapp: "Who want to keep it going. Was it informal in the beginning, and it became something else? Or... Can you describe the evolution of AATIP?" Stratton: "Sure. And I know Lue kind of hates it when I call it a working group, but that's what I would call it. Lue would call it an organization." Knapp: "A program." Stratton: "A program, a team. It all gets lost in D.C., right? It doesn't really matter. If you're not on a budget line somewhere and getting funded to do work, I mean. But, what we were doing was important, and we knew we could make this happen. And again, it's in my job jar, right? This is something I do for a living. "Lue was in USDI, and he was a policy guy, and he was at the higher headquarters. And what did Lue do? Lue opened doors for me when I needed help, and any other service colleague. So, you can call it a working group, call it a program, call it...but it existed. 100% existed, and it existed in order to keep on that drama of preventing disruptive technology and tech surprise. "And we worked together, and we had friends that helped, right? To try to get answers on anything that came in. And the day that I got the Gimbal video, I went to Lue. You know, Lue was the first person I brought in the room to say, 'Hey, Lue, what do you think of this?' Right? You know, and then I go down the hall to start talking to, you know, the 'Is-it-ours?' question. "So, you know, that's very important, because Lue would, again, biology background, right? Different background. Always looked at things differently. And he'd come to me, and I would look at it from that, you know, kind of aerospace perspective, or maybe the military perspective, and say, 'That doesn't make sense,' you know? Or whatever I would say, right? "So, it's important to understand that he and I complimented each other very greatly. And other teammates from AAWSAP, or from the old days, complimented each other, because we were there for a reason." ~ Stratton: "However, again, Lue and I are friends, and the folks that kind of took it over when I left, I knew 'em all." October 17th, 2017 - Lue Resigns Stratton: "And I got a face-to-face, it's called a Tandberg, a secure kind of FaceTime, with Lue in his office. And this was about, I think, three or so days before he dropped his (resignation) letter, and he's holding his letter. And he's like, 'Here's what I'm doing.' And I said, 'You know, good luck.' (That letter was dated October 3rd, 2017) Stratton: "And then, yeah, lo and behold, he's on stage with with Hal [Puthoff] and Steve Justice (on October 11th, 2017) and the team there (TTSA), and I'm watching. And it's still, at this point...I had no idea I [would] be back into this topic at all, right? I'm watching as an outsider, just like everybody, but I could actually text Lue if I wanted, right? So I had some insider... But I'm watching, and interested." Knapp: "Are you sympathetic to his stated reasons for leaving, in that he was frustrated that, I can't get through to the Secretary of Defense and tell him about this, and it needs to be a higher priority?" Stratton: "I am. What we needed was a recognized...a program of record, as we call it, right? We needed something that had the oomph behind it, the power behind it, the authority behind it, to do a lot of things, in order to get the answers we needed. "And, you know, I was building towards that later, and I'm sure we'll talk about the [UAP] Task Force. But, you know, I had a five-year plan of how we're gonna get all of these things that we needed. But, if you're just a working group, you know, and trying to do your job, and in my hat, you know, Navy at the headquarters, I had a certain amount of of wiggle room for trying to get things done and authorities, right? "But, you needed something above all that. You needed something at that Sec-Def level, at that ODNI level that could reach into everything and had the authority to get the answers it needed. And Lue and I knew we needed that. And every time we would try to knock on a door and say, 'Hey, we need that. Here's what we know, here's what we've seen,' and a little bit of history on AAWSAP and other things. Yeah, you get the door kind of shut in your face because it's...ehh, back to that careerism. 'I don't know. I'm afraid of the Washington Post.'" ~The NYT Article on Dec. 16th, 2017~ Stratton: "So I was sitting in my office at the other non, you know, UFO-related job, and I get an email from my old boss that was a link to the New York Times story. And she said, 'Merry Christmas.' Because I had no idea that was coming, at all. And it was, literally, a holy crap, you know, when you're reading that, and you have some inside-baseball knowledge. (I knew something was coming and so did several people in our community. I'm surprised Stratton didn't know, and I'm surprised Lue didn't give him a heads up. And I'm sure (or assume) Stratton was not thrilled that AAWSAP was nowhere to be found in that article and a few other details were not accurate.) Stratton: "But I didn't have any security concerns, you know? It's like, yeah, if I had security concerns, I would have addressed it with the security concern. I had the yeah, you know, I can't believe we're saying all this in the New York Times here, because of everything that was involved, right? But, I didn't know it was coming, it took me by surprise. I had zero intent at that point of working the topic again." Knapp: "Just when I'm out, they pulled me back in." Stratton: "Exactly what happened." Knapp: "The Godfather." Stratton: "Exactly what happened. So, my old boss that sent me the email sometime after that, sent me a position and said I should consider it. And I did, and I applied. And I got that, and that was that promotion."