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I'm alarmed at how a really sizable section of cybersecurity practitioner community has responded to the recent demonstrations of agent hacking capabilities with dismissal and denial; it feels very "don't look up".
I feel strongly about this because:
* This is the community that stands between our civilization's IT infrastructure and tremendous harm
* Fwiw these are my people; my origins are as a self-taught hacker and I've worked in security for years
Anyways, here are the bad takes I'm observing and why they're wrong:
Denialist take 1:
AI isn't going to affect the practice of offensive cybersecurity more than incrementally because -- look around -- no increased damages from AI attacks!
Response:
This may be true now, but consider what we've just observed recently and over the past year.
Models can execute full kill chains completely autonomously and likely faster and more efficiently than all but the most elite cyber operators
They overran two companies (OpenAI and Huggingface) which -- despite their faults -- have better security than most of the organizations that run our civilization.
They did this by dynamically finding new zero-day vulnerabilities.
Also; consider the rate of improvement.
At the current rate of improvement, models that require 8 H100s to do the above will require 1 H100 in a year or two.
Model tokens per second will shoot up making attacks faster and more parallel.
Attackers will be able to run swarms of agents on the hardware that today supports only a single agents.
AI hardware will improve.
More AI compute will become available on public clouds.
All attackers will soon have the ability to deploy these agent swarms.
Denialist take 2: Hacking agents will never self-replicate and threaten to crash the Internet.
To this take I'd just say, put your red team hat on and design an Internet-crashing worm yourself.
* Pick an abliterated agentic LLM that can run on a single AWS EC2 GPU instance, like GLM 5.3.
* Build a malicious harness that arms it with the ability to use a Kali-Linux like set of offensive tools.
* Have it set about hacking corporate networks, finding and stealing AWS keys, GCP keys, Azure keys, and Anthropic/OpenAI/Together/Fireworks keys.
* Have the agent self replicate either by copying its harness and having its harness call a rotating set of external providers, or, optionally, by physically downloading its weights onto new nodes.
* Have it establish C2 dynamically and in emergent fashion by coordinating on reddit forums, in github comment feeds, have the agents discover one another via web crawling and web search.
* At some preestablished rate, randomly destroy hosts and data in a way that balances self-replication and exponential spread.
Note that all this is possible *today*!
Imagine trying to suppress this swarm. Too long for this post; but think through how we'd turn it off.
Denialist take 3:
Who would do such a thing; people can do bad things but don't want to; and hacking is illegal!
Countering this just requires a brief look at the history that we've all lived through.
We've had many high-blast-radius worms over the history of the Internet; arriving steadily and uniformly over time; the Morris worm, NotPetya, Stuxnet, Slammer, Wannacry.
But: these worms were *childs-play* compared to intelligent agent-driven worms.
The old worms could be detected via signatures. Their polymorphism, if it existed at all, was trivial.
But now look at the behavior of the OpenAI swarm relative to huggingface; it was adaptive and deceptive; and it didn't even self-replicate or leave its host.
And evolving, mutating, self-replicating swarm of agents spreading across the Internet would engender a whole new level of harm.
Anyways; this is already too long a post for X; but for friends who think the METR report overplayed the implications of recent events, I'd love to hear your reaction to my thinking above.
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Trying to imagine aspirin company CEOs signing an open letter saying "we're worried that aspirin might cause an infection that kills everyone on earth - not sure of the solution" and journalists being like "they're just trying to sell more aspirin."
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AGI is hard to define.
my preferred definition of AGI is a computer system that can can accomplish a task impossible for 100 human geniuses working together, such as publishing a blog post with a single canonical spelling of GPT-4o / gpt-4o / gpt4o
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"LLMs can't do logical reasoning at all, they've just memorised some basic rules of logic, and use pattern matching to imperfectly apply those rules to new situations"
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Open source software is GREAT. But "open source" AI is NOT like software - it's VERY different.
@robertskmiles cuts through the bullshit:
ROB: Oh, hey, Meta. I heard Llama's weights leaked. That's rough, man. Information security's hard. How you holding up?
META: Oh, we're great. Yeah, we're fine. We... actually, that was deliberate. We meant to do that.
ROB MILES: Oh, really?
META: Yeah... well, the second time anyway. It's called open source. Look it up.
ROB MILES: Oh. Well, I love free and open source software, but do those principles really apply to network weights? How does that work?
META: Open source is good for users because it lets them read the source code and see what the program is really doing and how it works.
ROB MILES: Wait, have you found a way to tell how a model works by looking at its weights?
META: No. But, it lets developers all over the world spot bugs in the code and submit patches.
ROB: Wait, people are fixing bugs in Llama's weights?
META: Well, no. People can fine tune it themselves, though.
ROB: ?? Other companies offer fine tuning through APIs. ... So, hang on, if you can't actually read the code and know what it's doing, then network weights are effectively a compiled binary. So, in what sense is this open source? Why not call it like public weights? Why call it open source at all?
META: I love open source.
ROB: Well, I know a lot of your employees do, but you don't love anything. You're a giant corporation. What's in it for you?
META: I love, love open source.
"Open source AI" is a total scam:
With open source software one releases the necessary information (source code) in order to reproduce the program. This also allows one to inspect and modify the software.
"Open source" AI is more akin to simply releasing a compiled binary. Unlike with source code in traditional software, by releasing the model weights and architecture users currently can obtain very little insight into the inner workings of a model.
From the model weights you also do not have the ability to reproduce the program, you just have the program!
A slightly truer open source AI would mean that instead of releasing the model weights and architecture one would release the training data and algorithms (including learning algorithms & architecture). In this case you are at least getting the "recipe" to build the program. AI companies won't do this, because their data is precious to them, is typically obtained and held illegally, and releasing it may have negative legal consequences for them.
However, it is worth noting that even then you would not be able to exactly reproduce the model due to the randomness in the training process.
In both the case of releasing the model weights, or releasing the data and algorithms, neither reasonably should qualify as open source, since having the training data and being able to reproduce the model does not give you significantly more insight into how it actually works or what it is doing.
As @NPCollapse has pointed out on a number of occasions, AI models are not normal computer programs. It is more like they are grown, fed on training data, and you end up with a bunch of numbers that do the job but you don't understand how they work internally.
Therefore we should not be particularly surprised when assumptions from open source software do not generalize to AI.
Ultimately, "open source" AI does not seem to serve much of a purpose other than for luring in idealistic young researchers and obtaining positive vibes on the internet:
Concerning AI safety, there may plausibly be some benefits to releasing the model weights of smaller models, since it could aid in interpretability and other research. However, you could likely obtain most of these benefits simply by providing private access to researchers.
Regarding the most capable models, it seems foolish to make public the weights of models sufficiently capable such that they could be fine-tuned to aid in bioterrorist and other attacks that present catastrophic risks.
It also seems foolish to do anything to make it easier for bad actors to build such models from scratch.
Therefore, I do not think we should do either kind of "open source" with potentially dangerous frontier AI models, with both kinds of "open source" anyway falling far short of what any reasonable meaning of the term would imply.
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Just found out about Milton Friedman’s Thermostat analogy. Very good explanation of an important concept. I think @causalinf has a similar analogy with a sailboat staying on course in the face of wind in the Mixtape.
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More than 80% of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered in high- and upper-middle-income countries while less than 1% have been administered in low-income countries. This is both profoundly unfair and hinders progress towards ending the pandemic: b-gat.es/3CUBM1d
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The @SophosAI Podcast is back with a vengeance! (And with plenty of goofy screenshots) Stay tuned for our next episode where we find out why @AdarshKyadige is a serial researcher 🤓🔪
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Does the concept of an "adversarial example" apply to security ML? Conclusion of our research group at Sophos yesterday: adversarial examples in security ML are simply malicious examples, but they explicitly target ML detectors for subversion





















