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So Anthropic … didn’t actually use all that cash? Incredible solana:BTZK1B3pCoBDD1vy5e4bDBM4bwvvhkKUMTuKABkGWwGp
This raise is the size of a large neocloud, in cash
$META
META RAISES $35 BILLION TO FUND AI EXPANSION
Meta ($META ) launched a $35B equity offering to finance AI infrastructure, including $22.5B in common stock and $12.5B in convertible preferred shares.
$NVDA, $AMD and $AVGO have expressed interest in investing up to $5B combined.
Meta targets $135B–$145B in 2026 capex, with another $60B stock-sale program planned for 2027.
The key risk: Rising AI financing needs and potential shareholder dilution.
This is the most worrying thing about a neocloud credit crunch… it would be a total mess with half finished half funded sites everywhere and would take years to sort out
Replying to @Yuchenj_UW
I think we’re going to see a lot of stranded compute in partially complete data centers
For all the talk I'm surprised issuance is so low and buybacks are so high (tx @zerohedge)
Shoutout to my boys @angus_walker_ and @eddymyer_ who actually bet on this and caught the move!
Here I was laughing…
Over a period which included the invention of Claude Code, agentic AI, and a desperate compute shortage, $CRWV is still down 66%...
That’s the issue with $crwv et al, debt is contractual, the $ actually has to be repaid
Refinancing is not an option as these will soon be old chips, 5-6 generations behind.
Best strategy is probably to issue stock to oblivion, but that’s hardly a reason to buy the dip for the long term
Does anyone have a thesis as to how/when $CRWV becomes profitable and is able to pay down debt?
The argument that if they were to stop investing/building they would be cash flow positive is irrelevant.
If they stopped building every competitor would pass them by immediately
This seemed a stretch last week but here we are! RIP semiconductor PnL 😞
Capital markets are clearly rejecting neocloud financing, debt, equity or otherwise.
There's also live proof of the technological obsolescence/depreciation argument against the neos:
Just days ago Microsoft announced they're moving the majority of inference to their own, more cost efficient Maia stack.
Which shows how and why hyperscalers are leasing capacity short term. Long term, they'll preference their own stack (IMO).
$MSFT also happens to be $CRWV's largest customer, and it looks like $CRWV will be the center of this particular dustup.
More importantly, Anthropic is making at least one of the same mistakes as Firmus, by making information incredibly difficult to get hold of, forcing all of us to backsolve from partial, non-GAAP numbers.
It would be far better to share monthly revenue, colour on how much of the slowdown is due to their own crackdown on distillation, and how much they stand to lose from major customers Meta and Microsoft leaving for their own stacks.
It might not be pretty, but it would give the market the best chance to price this correctly and get it away succesfully. There's still plenty to like here at the right price.
And of course, if the price came out lower than shareholders would like, they don't have to sell.
Instead this is going to be a major source of market instability, and that alone could be enough to torpedo a listing.
The market has already slammed shut for all but the best companies.
On our side, we've had to close a number of semis positions and raise cash, at far lower levels than say last week.
The last few times we've done this the selloffs have been short and sharp, and we've had rapid recoveries after, but (for my 2c) this one feels a bit different, and might actually involve a proper debt bustup and industry restructure, which would take longer. It's not clear where demand would sit with neoclouds out of the picture and without the Nvidia incentives they've showered onto their customers. We're already 4-5 months in from the May/June highs. If it is a big one, then selling now is the right call.
This could even trigger a new regime with an entirely different set of winners and losers...
Question now is does the Firmus failure blow up the global AI trade.
Is this the straw that breaks the camel's back?
Has the market closed for these kinds of raises (there are a number in the pipeline) or was this Firmus specific?
This was a big IPO - success would have likely locked in tens of billions of server equipment buying.
And fostering a number of neoclouds like Firmus was a major part of $NVDA's strategy. AI-king/superstar Jensen Huang even named them on stage.
It's hard to tell, as there were a number Firmus specific issues here, notably valuation, use of a torturously-derived T+2 EBIT number, limited lockup, and tough contract terms.
Most of this was only available if you read the fine print, which by all accounts was extremely difficult to find.
I'm not sure this was the right approach, nor was banker messaging around the book being fully covered by indicated interest.
A more honest approach might have enabled better price discovery, and a deal at a lower valuation, where the cash equity raised comprised a significant amount of the market cap, might well have succeeded.
Either way, we'll have to watch closely as we own a lot of (non-neocloud) semiconductors, and despite blowout results, they are well below June highs and trading very soggy right now.
Question now is does the Firmus failure blow up the global AI trade.
Is this the straw that breaks the camel's back?
Has the market closed for these kinds of raises (there are a number in the pipeline) or was this Firmus specific?
This was a big IPO - success would have likely locked in tens of billions of server equipment buying.
And fostering a number of neoclouds like Firmus was a major part of $NVDA's strategy. AI-king/superstar Jensen Huang even named them on stage.
It's hard to tell, as there were a number Firmus specific issues here, notably valuation, use of a torturously-derived T+2 EBIT number, limited lockup, and tough contract terms.
Most of this was only available if you read the fine print, which by all accounts was extremely difficult to find.
I'm not sure this was the right approach, nor was banker messaging around the book being fully covered by indicated interest.
A more honest approach might have enabled better price discovery, and a deal at a lower valuation, where the cash equity raised comprised a significant amount of the market cap, might well have succeeded.
Either way, we'll have to watch closely as we own a lot of (non-neocloud) semiconductors, and despite blowout results, they are well below June highs and trading very soggy right now.
Michael Frazis retweeted
Michael Frazis wrote an excellent apercu re the problems/risks w/ Firmus (as a business as much as a stock). You should all read it:
fraziscapitalpartners.com/an…
I will try to add my perspective. I have no prob w/ ppl getting rich, or capitalizing on innovation. Prob here is this deal seems so clearly destined to blow up, a ton of retail baggies will inevitably get destroyed.
Prob is the biz model (as Frazis outlines) demands a YUUGE amount of follow on PRIMARY capital over next 1-2yrs (and longer). They are raising $5bn USD now but will require maybe 7-10x that, over next 1-2yrs, to fulfill their nos. Even if generously 70% of this is debt funded (good luck!) you're looking at (by Aussie standards) insane capital demands - inelastic to price - over next 18months. Maybe 3-4x the IPO in terms of size. This is typically a v bad sign in IPOs.
To that you must add SECONDARY supply - ie all the $$ made on the way up that unlocks 6mos, then 12mos, then 2yrs later, etc. Given Firmus was worth low single digit billions a year ago, and ~$15bn a few months ago (!), literally everyone is deep, deep, deep in the money even at say IPO price minus 50% (call it a $20bn valn).
So you have 1) insane need for ongoing capital; 2) wall of secondary supply; and 3) optics. This is where it gets interesting.
Firmus says their closest comp is Coreweave $CRWV, a firm that has never generated a profit; has 10x Firmus' revenue and scale (50 datacenters operational); and trades at 8x revs. Crucially, on like-for-like basis - ie when it was considerably smaller on revenue - it still traded at a fraction of the implied Firmus multiple (1000x revs at IPO price). This seems insane to me. Why would any US punters buy Firmus over the incumbents on this relative valuation?
But Firmus is already spruiking an eventual US listing (even tho impossible while Curtis involved, imo). They have to - again bec of the capital needs, they are so hungry for capital - but it would inevitably be at whatever price the market would bear (ie, lower vs other listed US comps).
Obviously, insiders know all this. This is why they are making it hellishly difficult to get access to the prospectus (I still havent seen it in the flesh); and why they are trying to spruik it so hard by bringing in as many brokers as possible (and offering all the follow-on offerings that will inevitably come, in the near future, to the willing sycophantic bankers).
Again - nothing personal against those involved. It may even work out (for a while, at least).
But personally I expect Firmus stock to be down >50% vs $44bn IPO price within a year. Will be looking to structure an appropriate bet to monetize this view, when markets open and if there's a derivatives structure that makes sense (which there prob wont be).
GLTA. DYODD.
#Firmus my reasons for not taking
1. High uplift from recent raisings
2. Oliver Curtis
3. EV
4. Only 2 operational DC's
5. Headwinds for their DC's in Aus
6. Regal
Everyone’s switching back to Claude so capacity squeeze is over at OpenAI
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