@HwsEleutheroi at 45:53: "John Damascene, Theodore the Studite, Patriarch Nikephoros... struggled to try to make heads or tails out of the definition that was given at N2." -When did John Damascene repose? -When was N2? -How could he struggle with N2's decree if he was reposed?

Final/ These persistent misrepresentations of the Council of Frankfurt need to stop. For a more detailed discussion of the Franks, and why Protestants should stop using them in their anti-EO polemics, see my Substack article "An Outright Break With Rome" iconsofgod.substack.com/p/an…

5/ This is a clear textual misattribution on White's part. He is not the first Protestant to falsely attribute a statement from the Opus to the Council of Frankfurt. Martin Chemnitz did it in the 16th century. Andrew Messmer did it in 2022. @gavinortlund did it multiple times.

4/ ...And Thomas Noble, which @HwsEleutheroi has apparently read.

3/ Instead, for variety of reasons not able to be explained in 280 characters, the 'Libri' (formally called the Opus Caroli) was never published as a public, formal statement on images by Charlemagne, even though he privately agreed with it. This is noted by Paul Meyvaert...

2/ I don't know why he did this & I won't speculate. The statement actually belongs to the Libri Carolini, a document produced by the Carolingians in the years leading up to Frankfurt. This wouldn't be a big deal if the 'Libri' was used at Frankfurt...but it wasn't.

/1 In his debate with @Craig_Truglia, @HwsEleutheroi cited the 794 Council of Frankfurt as if it claimed that Nicaea 2 failed to "remain content with the teachings of the ancient fathers". This is not a statement attributable to Frankfurt. A Thread 🧵

And in 2025

And in 2024...

Maybe? You were far more certain in 2019 that it was a bathroom.

Augustine: "You [Paul] are reigning with the one you stoned [Stephen], reigning with Christ. There you can both see each other, can both now hear my sermon; both of you please pray for us." amazon.com/Sermons-306-340A-…

Reminds me of this: youtube.com/shorts/FJmlYVOP-… and this: youtube.com/watch?v=2-EouZi1… Can we please stop monetizing weapons you've named after a bishop that you would otherwise consider a saint-worshipping idolater, and go back to apologetics and scholarship?

I agree that Louth said nothing against the veneration of icons. But you did. Elsewhere, you've explicitly tied proskynesis before icons to the 9th century.

Source: Andrew Louth, Greek East and Latin West: The Church, AD 681-1071 (Crestwood, N.Y.: St. Vladimirs Seminary Press, 2007), 55-56, Kindle Edition